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October 31, 2005

Blood and circumstance

Religion and gays are a bad mix. If you don't believe me, read on.
If you are a Christian, or rather the authentic type, you would know that the power of the blood of Jesus is supreme. The whole validation of our faith hangs on the power of his blood to redeem sinful humanity. But a homosexual minstrel act who failed at overcoming his sexual sins, blames his failure on the blood of Jesus.

"After becoming a born-again Christian, I still felt dirty; the blood of Jesus did not wipe away the shame from the abuse I suffered. I then discovered Exodus and Life Ministries' "ex-gay" program in NYC.", says Peter Toscano.

Wait a minute! After you became a "born again Christian"?? Not only did this guy flunk out of two exgay schools, he completely mangles basic, non-seminary, Christian teaching. Contrary to his claims,sexual abuse didn't make him exgay, rebellion and ignorance made him gay.

Stranger than fiction
Toscano is a Quaker which may explain his inability to grasp fundamental Biblical truths. What's more, his statement about the blood of Jesus seems to violate even general Quaker beliefs. And like countless homosexual men who struggle with sexual identity and behavior, Toscano was "sexually abused". Realizing this admission would substantiate the abuse leads to homosexuality argument, he quickly adds a disclaimer stating that he was "already gay" before the abuse. At the ripe old age of seven, he knew he was gay. Strange, considering most seven year olds, unless they are some sort of prodigy are barely emotionally mature, let alone sexually aware. Even child prodigies are emotionally the same as other children.

Lest anyone would believe the lost lad, let me make corrections to such offensive error.
1. It is impossible to become a Christian without the blood of Jesus cleansing your sins, first. Hebrews 9:22
2.The blood of Jesus is uniquely effective because it was perfect, without blemish. It was the perfect sacrifice God required in order for mankind to be redeemed. In order to overcome any human default, it must come through the blood. Rev 12:11
3. Toscano's statement is blasphemous because it attributes a sinful trait to the holiness of Christ. Without acknowledging and accepting his sacrifice, there can be no salvation.
4. Not only does Christ's blood heal physical wounds, but equally heals emotional and spiritual wounding. Further the reason Toscano could not overcome his sinful sexual desires is because he did not confess those deeds to CHRIST, whose very blood would have set him free. 1 John 1:7-9.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Toscano took a side road, looking to men to do what only the blood of Jesus could accomplish. No wonder he ended up with the short end of the stick.

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  • 27 comments:

    vesti said...

    Not only did this guy flunk out of two exgay schools

    Sheesh - that must be ne funky "final exam"...

    DL Foster said...

    Not only did this guy flunk out of two exgay schools, he completely mangles basic, non-seminary, Christian teaching.

    He didnt stay long enough to pass. In my book, he is a first class dunce. His theology, if you can call it that, proves that theory hands down.

    Michael LaBonte said...

    Are you sure you are a Christian DL? You strike me more as a New Testament Pharisee.

    Don't get me wrong, it's obvious you worship Jesus. I just wonder if you actually follow his example or his teachings? (No, I'm not talking about Christian theology).

    It may not just be whores and tax collectors who enter the kingdom of heaven before you--it may well be Quakers and homosexuals.

    DL Foster said...

    Sure homosexuals, sinful Quakers, etc, etc can go to heaven. If they repent and forsake their sin --just like anyone else who wants to see the inside of the pearly gates. That includes you. Its not my job to keep people out of heaven, just to tell them the truth on earth, so they can go to heaven. Secondly, the order of entrance into heaven is a moot issue. The issue is whether one enters or not. The FIRST message of the New dispensation was REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 3:1-3 Love wasnt the first message and cannot be realized until repentance has actualized. A simple reading of God's Word would reveal that.

    Michael LaBonte said...

    I have no doubt DL that you are sincere in your "Christian" beliefs.

    However, I want you to consider the fact that you maintain a site, the sole purpose of which appears to be to demonize, poke fun at, and generally disparage gay people.

    I see very little Christian charity or compassion in your mission.

    Your site is not intended to evangelize or outreach. It consolidates and approves the hatred and misunderstanding that many in the church community already harbor toward gays and lesbians.

    For you love may not come first--

    You would do better to remove the plank from your own eye before trying to assist others with their splinters.

    DL Foster said...

    You call it "demonizing". How funny. That perhaps would be accurate if the stories and people I analyze did not do the things they do. You and a lot of other activist gays seem not to be able to take your own nasty medicine. You moan and cry about "christian compassion" and "love". You cant stand biblical truth, but you want to lecture Christians about how to be a Christian. That's like a garbage collector telling a doctor how to do heart surgery. Hypocrisy on top of hypocrisy. I did take the plank out of my eye...its what Im using to whop this hypocritical movement upside its head.

    Do you think it is wrong to use sarcasm and humor and biting commentary because one is a Christian? Again, you want a lollipop version of Christians you can continue to spit your venom at and then tell them how they should be sweet and loving.

    You got one thing right. This site is not intended to "evangelize or outreach". Duh! Its intended to expose the latent hypocrisy threaded in the homosexual activist community (including the religious activists) so that no one is duped by the ridiculous demand for "gay rights". I think its doing a great job.

    Any other smart remarks?

    Michael LaBonte said...

    Thanks for proving my point.

    DL Foster said...

    Thanks for proving my point.
    You're quite welcome. And by the way, you proved mine too. :))
    now, for more news...

    Robert said...

    Rev. Foster -
    according to Toscano's website, he graduated from Love in Action after 'almost two years'.
    Given that you state that he 'flunked out of two ex-gay schools', are you stating that
    he did not, in fact, do so, or that he flunked out of two such schools as well as graduating from LIA?

    DL Foster said...

    "Shortly after I exited the program, I came OUT" --Peter Toscano

    Sounds like he flunked to me. Or he got a "technical" graduation. The goal of the program is not for someone to get out and then "come out" And isnt it patently dishonest to be in the program with the intention of "graduating", then teling everyone OUTSIDE the program he is homosexual? Why didn't he adamantly tell LIA he was "gay" before he "successfully graduated? Perhaps he is the LIA/R?

    Whats more disturbing is that after he became a so-called Christian, he blames a blameless Christ for his continuing "dirtiness and guilt". That's low.

    Robert said...

    According to your post, the statement he made was
    "the blood of Jesus did not wipe away the shame from the abuse I suffered." I don't see that as blaming Christ for his continuing 'dirtiness and guilt'.

    Apparently, after completing the LIA program (whatever that entails), which came after his born-again experience (again, whatever that entails), he continued to experience himself as a homosexual - hence, coming out afterwards. He didn't want to be homosexual, but if he still was, telling people the truth would seem to be the healthiest approach.

    Presumably, if either the born-again experience or the LIA experience had had the desired effect, he'd have a blog describing his new-in-Christ holiness and happiness. Since they didn't, he's got a blog describing his current state of holiness and happiness.

    DL Foster said...

    According to your post, the statement he made was
    "the blood of Jesus did not wipe away the shame from the abuse I suffered." I don't see that as blaming Christ for his continuing 'dirtiness and guilt'.


    I do. He certainly didn't blame it on his own failure[s].

    Robert said...

    That reminds me of a line I read years ago - "religion is the only business where the consumer is expected to accept responsibility for product failure."

    His (Toscano's) current position appears to be that no 'healing' took place because no healing was needed - a position that puts him diametrically opposite you in this clash of cultures.

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    DL Foster said...

    raddyp,
    I have so much compassion, I am deleting your comment out of deep concern for anyone who may be damaged and wounded by it. I have compassion for you. You are apparently lost and extremely out of touch with real life, thanks to a steady diet of AeroAmerica.
    For the 1163rd time, your comments should be in response to the post. I understand that you have unresolved anger issues, but you will have to pay someone to handle that. No freebies here.

    DL Foster said...

    "religion is the only business where the consumer is expected to accept responsibility for product failure."

    Robert, very true. That's why knowing Jesus Christ is all about relationship, not religion.
    With religion you get what you pay for.

    Robert said...

    Oh, dear.

    The "Christianity is not a religion" meme. I was wondering if that would surface.

    This is bitter irony - if someone comes to you and says, I confessed to Almighty God, acknowledged Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior, pled the precious blood, etc, etc, whatever phraseology is currently fashionable, - and yet, I am still plagued by feelings of sexual and emotional attraction to other men,

    then, with a clear conscience, you can assure that suffering fellow human, Well, you just didn't do it right. Come back when you've REALLY been born again.

    Ouch.

    grantdale said...

    How bizarre.

    Someone spends 17 years ex-gaying themself, $30,000, and graduates from Love In Action... and that's a "flunk"???

    Gee, whadda ya have to do to succeed? Fake it?

    DL Foster said...

    This is bitter irony - if someone comes to you and says, I confessed to Almighty God, acknowledged Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior, pled the precious blood, etc, etc, whatever phraseology is currently fashionable, - and yet, I am still plagued by feelings of sexual and emotional attraction to other men,
    then, with a clear conscience, you can assure that suffering fellow human, Well, you just didn't do it right. Come back when you've REALLY been born again.


    Actually, its just foundational truth.
    For some reason, you have appointed me head of the Christian verification department. I'm not, but I subscribe to the BOOK.

    Maybe you should research what "religion" is and then compare it to what I said about relationship. And just for the Christian-haters, that goes for all "religions".

    Since when does the repeating/chanting words or phrases make one a Christian?
    Jesus said, (pay C-A-R-E-F-U-L attention to the text):Matt 7:19-21

    19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    21Not every one that saith(my emphasis) unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    That means words have little value in determining an authentic Christian.

    PS: yes there are false ones.

    Robert said...

    Rev. Foster -
    Christianity is a religion. So are Judaism, Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism. A personal relationship with a manifestation of the omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent Creator of the Universe may be an _aspect_ of that religion, but if you tell people (who do not already agree with you) something like, "Christianity is not a religion, but an experience of the fundamental and irreducible Truth of the Universe - that Jesus Christ is Lord," -
    well, that pretty much eliminates any possible meeting of the minds.

    Also, it would appear that my example above 'come back when you're really born again' - which I had intended as a satirical exaggeration - is what you believe should actually happen in a case like Mr. Toscano's.

    DL Foster said...

    How bizarre.
    Someone spends 17 years ex-gaying themself, $30,000, and graduates from Love In Action... and that's a "flunk"???
    Gee, whadda ya have to do to succeed? Fake it?


    I think its bizarre to reduce your identity to the type of sex you engage in, but I digress...
    Neither you or Toscano has explained what "ex-gaying" means, so I won't venture down that lonely highway. I know he did say that he went to a NY Jamaican exorcist or something. Now THATS bizarre. And who forced him to do that?? Too bad and very sad he paid "$30,000". I'd like to see the receipts for that, lol.
    The goal is not to be "exgay" it is to be like Christ. Not heterosexual, but holy. Success is obedience and acceptance of what the Bible says in regard to that issue.
    No, not bizarre, just true.

    DL Foster said...

    Rev. Foster -
    back in the 1600s, Quakers in Massachusetts Bay Colony were publicly whipped as punishment for their failure to "grasp fundamental Biblical truths".
    Later on, in the late 1700s and early 1800s, they were routinely derided by mainstream American Christians for their refusal to recognize that slavery was, in fact, Biblically sanctioned.
    In other words, they (Quakers) have been dealing with attitudes such as yours since their inception as a denomination of Christianity.


    [from their website]
    Quakers (Friends) beliefs are a little hard to quantify,[this is why I said Toscano may be unable to grasp fundamental Biblical truths] since Friends do not believe in having a fixed Creed or Dogma, but rather in seeking for the leadings of God within ourselves. Some generalizations are possible however:

    1. Some, but not all Quakers, view the doctrine of Jesus' and the virgin birth as nonessential and not accepted as fact.heretical
    2. Primacy of "feelings" over scripture as source of testing doctrine."feelings" change, scripture doesnt
    3. Acceptance of any document as valid for doctrine, i.e. Tao Te Ching, Koran, etc. (Society of Friends) Jesus claimed that he was exclusively the way to God. More heresy
    4. Some, but not all Quakers are Unitarian Universalists (by their own description) (i.e. all religions and beliefs are correct and of equal value.)why be a Christian then?
    5. Great manifestations including trembling and shaking. Ok I can get with that
    6. George Fox saw himself as an apostle restoring the true church.Unfortunately, his followers have left his vision

    Michael LaBonte said...

    DL,

    "I think its bizarre to reduce your identity to the type of sex you engage in..."

    I would suggest that in cultures where same-sex attractions and behaviors are not considered socially problematic or significant, homosexuality generally does not become the basis for a distinct social identity.

    The same can probably be said of many other human characteristics.

    And rather than behavior ("the type of sex you engage in") reducing to identity, I would suggest that there are different dimensions of (homo)sexual experience.

    These would include sexual desire (orientation), what people actually do (behavior) and how people see themselves as social sexual persons (identity).

    These dimensions overlap but are not always congruent.

    For example, when I was a student in college I knew a young man who committed suicide shortly after he "came out" to his family.

    This boy had never acted on his homosexual feelings but still recongized himself as gay and was tormented by his fears of rejection and feelings of guilt.

    I've also known married men who consider themselves heterosexual even though they routinely engage in homosexual acts. Denial, as they say, "ain't just a river in Egypt."

    DL Foster said...

    Interesting hypothesis.

    But, Toscano is not a part of a culture where ssa and behavior is not considered socially problametic or significant. Here, it has huge [im]moral signficance.
    Perhaps, if they want to escape that, they may want to relocate somewhere its not considered sin and unnatural.

    And the reason for that in America, is because American gays and lesbians have demanded to be identified by (reduced to) sexual behavior. So-called "orientations" is just another social construct tool of the gay movement, therefore an invalid measure of human experience in my view.

    Michael LaBonte said...

    DL,

    Actually I would argue that homosexual orientation became salient in American culture because of both the significance and disapproval of homosexuality generally.

    In other words, I would argue gay identity and culture developed in response to these social forces, not the other way around as--I beleive--you may be suggesting.

    Just as there are really no discrete human races, only a range of variation that we imbue with social significance, so sexuality has a range of variation.

    As to sexual orientation I believe it is a useful but limited concept. It does provide a way of capturing the dimension of desire regardless of behavior.

    Bruce Garrett said...

    For some reason, you have appointed me head of the Christian verification department. I'm not...

    Actually, you appointed yourself. You did that when you made that crack about "authentic types" of Christians in your original post. And to add insult to injury, you raise the "Christianity isn't a religion" premise, only to smack it back down again when it comes to Quakers not having a fixed Creed or Dogma, but rather are seeking the leadings of God within themselves. So Christianity isn't a religion, except when it is. And you're not the head of the Christian verification department, except when you are.

    You haven't seen Toscano's performances, but you know he's a minstrel act. You don't know how people graduate from Love In Action's program, but you know Toscano flunked out. And when Toscano says he knew he was gay before he was sexually abused, you know he isn't telling the truth because...well...you just know.

    Like you just know that you're saved.

    DL Foster said...

    To Bruce: I know you hold Toscano in HIGH regard so you are a little miffed that I didnt paint your boy as the saint of the season. I can understand you wanting to defend him. But,I couldnt make heads or tails of your post. So maybe you want to re-explain what you are trying to say.

    One thing I will clear up for you, I am part of the Christian verification department, just not the head of it. His name is Jesus Christ.